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Can a cheap power meter be a good power meter?
NB: Originally posted elsewhere on the Global Riders Network and appears via syndication.
Been thinking of structuring my training for a while now and maybe getting a coach to take it to the next level but have been put off by the price of power meters.
Then i came across this,
http://www.cyclocrossworld.com/cycleops-powercal...
Surely, even if it's not completely accurate, as long as it stays in a constant state of innacuracy it should do the trick???
Your thoughts please?
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You would have to suspect that there is a lag in feedback because it is an indirect method. A bit of a discussion here
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=3643...
The fundamental flaw seems to me is that your fitness level is a really big variable over time between the power your legs are creating and the heart rate it's measuring. As you get fitter you will be producing more power for the same heart rate etc so I'm not sure how it would deal with that, other variables like temperature would also throw it out.
I saw something the other day that may a better fit for you but I'm buggered if I can find it again. It's a speed/cadence sensor (ant+ or bluetooth) with a matching iphone app that translates your wheel speed and acceleration into power once you have told it the model of trainer you are using. At lease it's measuring a real output but it obviously wont work outdoors
If you are looking to take your training to the next level maybe think about a trainer with power. I balk at >$1000 for a power meter, but for <$500 at the moment (TBSM Jetblack Dyno trainer) you can get a good fluid trainer with a power meter. It measures power indirectly (uses the relationship between flywheel speed and power to work out power) but it does allow you to work at specific intensities.
Ok - so I speak with a bit of experience here, as both an athlete and a coach to some excellent, highly motivated, riders.
As an athlete, I have owned Powertaps, SRMs, and also my current set-up which is a Lemond Trainer with their 'Power Pilot'.
As a coach, I need all of my riders to have access to some sort of power meter twice a week. I really battle to understand how measurement is accurately and consistently performed without power. The key is that it must be the same one, in the same set-up. Your point about it being consistent is key.
It really doesnt matter what % +/- of inaccuracy they have - as long as its always the same. A good illustration would be the Powertap hub. It works really well on the road. However, put it on a turbo trainer, and the way the frame 'clamps' the rear wheel means that the reading go mental - as the pressure on the axle messes with the accuracy. In that sense, its very hard to use consistently.
From a performance improvement perspective, I used to have athletes using power meters for all their sessions - religiously. I was also the same. I found it ultimately to be detrimental to their performance. It removes any pleasure from riding at all, and makes you a complete loner with your training. I could go into greater detail on this, but its probably not appropriate here. I have now moved to two highly structured sessions per week using power (both of which can be performed indoors - as they are up to 2hrs long), one using heart-rate, and then rest using 'feel' - which is derived from learning 'zones' in the power based sessions.
Ultimately, power measurement is about testing, setting zones, working to them, then re-testing. You just need a consistent place to measure / test, work-out, and then re-measure.
Wind trainer with power, Lemond with power, Ergo of some sort, Wattbike - they would be my suggestion. If you really want to, get an SRM - dont complain when it creaks though....
I just got the Cycleops Power Tap in an effort to be able test my progress and for training. I only wish it made the training easier
My current method is to ride more and hope I improve. In saying this, I'm actually getting faster but it never seems fast enough
But it also works on speed so shouldn't it be able to tell you're getting fitter as your speed would be higher for the same HR and cadence etc?
@ Ants, two structured sessions a week sound good as I find it hard to be anymore strict with my regime because I'm a self employed tradie I never know what my hours are and sometimes if I've been up and down ladders all day or bent over digging holes I just can't be bothered doing a hard session the next morning. Another reason I havn't got a PM yet is the fact you mention "stationary trainers". I bloody hate them with a passion and only use mine to flush my legs through after hard rides or light load spins before big races.
Can you get the same benefit by finding a good peice of quiet road and doing intervals on that or are the efforts you do on a trainer a bit long or to precise for the open road?
I also didnt like them. I would consider 60mins a long ride on a trainer.
A few things changed that. Getting the Lemond made it much more bearable. Having a power readout to keep you concentrated and then a session to follow (it breaks the time up), and also riding with others - so you chat between intervals, in the same way you do on the road.
I can tell you that I recently set my new record on the trainer - 3hrs of riding. It was broken as 6x30min at varying efforts (easy, endurance, tempo, and threshold). I got through a few DVD's during the session....
But - to your original question - yes, the road is perfectly good - if its quiet. Cent Park in Sydney is pretty good, and we used to to use that a lot for all efforts from 2mins up to 40mins. Incredibly, although it is quite flat, its still a bit rolling. You really need a road that has very little ascent and descent. Its not the climbing thats the issue - its easy to stay on target up hills, its coming down. Holding 400watts down a hill is literally close to impossible. Thats why the trainer is ideal - but its not the only way. Flat road, no lights, no roundabouts - perfect. An old concrete velodrome - thats the ticket!
Ants, 3 hours on the trainer, that's dedication+
...just the Band of Brothers DVD box-set to get through...no motivation needed really.
And about 6x750ml water bottles!
@Danny
This is probably what you saw: http://www.trainerroad.com
Thanks Phil
Don't have anything like centennial park on the northern beaches where you can wind it up and not have to worry about stopping. Best I get in that sense is from Mosman to church point along the beaches, steady climb up to terrey hills then another long flat section back to Mosman along Forest way and Wakehurt pkwy. Sometimes you get lucky with the lights and get a good run.
Still , 3 hrs and six bottles on a trainer = wet floor or a laundry full of smelly towels!
Don't want to get caught up in your Sydney-ness, but...
http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#74
"To paraphrase BSNYC, an amateur cyclist using a power meter is like hiring an accountant to tell you how poor you are"
Here is some more useful information
http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2009/05/power-vs-h...
Have a talk to your coach (a far better investment than any piece of gear) and see what they want. Plenty will still coach you on HR, and some will even do it by RPE which works (see Cancellara, Fabian and Voeckler, Thomas)
If you must buy something shiny, get a track bike, controlled environment, flat out, and you have to pedal!
I like to slot 1 training session per week as a session on a stationery trainer. It is a drag but the road never matches the consistent power required on a stationery trainer. The other benefits of the trainer are that I don't have to set the alarm to 5 am and if the road is wet I can still get a good session in.
Keep in mind that for me the limitation is skills - how can you spend enough time on the mtb trails when you live in the inner west? I get beaten all the time by riders who live close to the trails but pay no attention to the scientific training stuff (maybe they also aren't 45).
Al, are you using the JetBlack one you mentioned above? I'm thinking of getting a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine as I've been offered one at a good price, but the Jet Black package deal looks pretty good.
Yes I have the Jet Black. It does the job but from what I have heard the Kurt Kinetic is probably the best trainer on the market.
I do two highly structured sessions on it during the week, before work at 5am and then the rest of the time I just ride. I tend to do all my sessions down in Bobbin Head, no traffic lights and although its rolling once you get up top it isnt to bad really. I figure as long as I am trainning on the same stretch and measuring the efforts thats ok.
Like Ants I used to go down to Centennial and do 2 x 20min sessions etc as well.
Getting a coach is easily the best money invested I think, I am no top athelete but I have come a long way in a short amount of time from the training that I have been doing, especially if you consider the injuries I have had as well, which have basically meant I had had to restart from scratch. I rode a road bike for the first time in Jan 2010 and I raced for the first time in October 2010 on the road in C Grade. Now I am at A Grade level and not just hanging on, but being able to attack, chase down attacks etc. Put some structure into your training is what is important in my eyes.
My current sessions are what I am doing at the moment.
1 x 10min (Really hard gearing sprints from almost a standing start think 53x13) and 2 x 20min Intervals at 110% of FTP.
4 x 10min Hill Repeats (30s On/Off) as hard as I can do.
Thats it for structure during the week, the rest of time I just ride and flog myself, so Thursday morning is a fast ride with my mates, I like to get on the front and drive it on Mona Vale road, Sat is an easy ride with NSCC Bunch ride with Extras and then a Sunday will be a race of somekind. If I am concentrating on MTB then a MTB race or something similar.