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Rock Shox revelations vs my current OEM fox


Andy Bloot's picture

By Andy Bloot - Posted on 21 August 2013

NB: Originally posted elsewhere on the Global Riders Network and appears via syndication.

I currently have an OEM Talas RL 140 fork with a DT swiss 9mm QR
This is a bit better than the BBQ skewers on most QR systems, but still not as stiff as a 15mm thru axle

I only managed about 2 months ago to track down the constant creak to this fork
Using loctite I have managed to quieten it
I've always liked Fox as they are what I'm used to, but after the probs with this fork I've gone a bit sour on them
It's overdue for a service and rather than spend money on it, I'm thinking of an upgrade

Note that the bike has a straight steerer, so choice is limited as most for sale forks are tapered these days

Anyway, I've been offered a like new 2014 (?) Rockshox Revelation RL 150 for $400
It has 15mm Maxle lite, crown lockout, external rebound and low speed compression adjustment
I think these are the solo air (?)
http://www.rotorburn.com/forums/showthread.php?2...

My question
I think it will be 2 years or so before I can upgrade my frame
I'm undecided whether this will be a worthwhile upgrade (stiffer, newer, maybe even better)
is this a good fork at a good price

I'm not to up on rockshox and how they are as a fork
I've heard lots of good reports, but interested to see if anyone has any thoughts that may reduce my indecision

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Isildur's picture

Yes, yes and yes Blootmeister Eye-wink

I've got a 2012 Rev 150 on my 5.7C and it's an excellent fork. Granted mine is the dual-air (fiddly to setup, but awesome once done), tapered and with a carbon crown/steerer (so a bit stiffer), but I think you'll definitely notice the difference.

For one, you'll actually enjoy the exclusive ability to use all of your travel! For two, my preference is for RS damping over (most) Fox options. For three, they're much easier to service and maintain yourself! For four, $400 sounds like a pretty good price!

Now, to add to all of that, I reckon if you combine it with the following link, your bike will feel like a totally different beast!! Smiling Granted, the 2 deg cups will add a small amount of stack height, but not so much that you'll notice. The 1.5 deg cup won't suffer from that problem Smiling

http://www.workscomponents.co.uk/15-degree-ec44-... or http://www.workscomponents.co.uk/20-degree-ec44-...

In Short - DO IT Smiling

Andy Bloot's picture

Thanks Gab
i hope he hasn't sold them by the time i make my mind up Sticking out tongue
But I just noticed one more thing

The steerer on the RS fork is 195mm whereas mine seems to be around 220mm
That 220cm is measured from the bottom of the steerer to the top of the stem and includes 20mm of spacers

So I can remove the spacers and run just the stem and it should be long enough at 195mm - correct?
And how will this affect the handling (pos or neg)

I don't really understand how the links affect performance either, but first things first i guess

Isildur's picture

So... I'll attack it in two parts Eye-wink

Steerer length:
You'll need to make sure that you've got enough exposed steerer sticking out of your frame to safely clamp your stem with the new fork. I gather that the only spacers in your current setup are below the stem? Or do you have a couple above as well? And is the first spacer one of those conical ones? Sometimes these get confused and can be replaced with cylindrical ones.

If you're only working with a 195mm steerer on the new fork and in theory need 200mm as a minimum at the moment, you'll be in danger of not having enough to clamp your stem onto safely. Depending on your stem, you may be able to change it out to a lower stack-height stem, which may give you that extra couple of mm you'll be chasing. Measure your stem clamp height and see how tall it is. I've managed to find 38mm for my bikes (I've got one spare depending on what stem length you need), but you may be able to find lower still.

Now, by dropping your stem height by 20mm, you'll be affecting the way you interact with the bike. In theory you'll get a more aggressive position, increased steering response, more grip on the front wheel and a better climbing position. Will your body and back like the change? That's not for me to say, unfortunately. You can compensate with higher rise bars, but you're now potentially looking at a bar and stem change!

Angled Headset (linked parts):
What these will do it allow you to run your bike slacker, which will increase stability at speed, in the rough stuff and when descending. The drawback is that you'll potentially give up some climbing ability, although I've completely gotten used to my slack (67-ish) Mach 5.7C compared to my old, steep (70-ish) Mach 4. For the type of riding you and I do, a little slacker will give you more confidence Smiling

Now, the problem is that both of the linked parts are going to eat up steerer length, which is something you won't have any of spare with the new fork, by the sounds of it (the 1.5 deg cup will add height above your head-tube, the 2 deg will add height above and below). Each of the external cups is about 7mm from memory (I had a 1.5 on my Mach 4), which is going to mean you're now approaching non-usable steerer length.

Phwoar, confused yet buddy? Eye-wink

Andy Bloot's picture

Appreciate it mate - it's quite clear actually
I've remeasured since your reply

The first spacer is conical, and the overall is actually closer to 30cm (2 x 10mm + 5mm + conical around 5mm)

The head tube is 150mm
And my Thomson stem is around 40mm clamp height
Spacers at around 30mm (all below the stem)
220 mm overall

So I will lose around 25mm of stack height

That seems quite a bit?
I'm undecided again Sticking out tongue

Isildur's picture

OK so, in theory, you could drop the 30mm completely and run the stem as the first "spacer". At 220mm - 30mm that give you a theoretical minimum of 190mm, so the fork will be able to work OK (as long as I'm picturing your setup correctly).

Now, that said, the question is whether you're comfortable riding your bike with the bars in that position.

The angled headsets are probably still out of the equation though.

Can you send me a close-up picture of your current arrangement (Stem, spacers and top of the head-tube)? That will let me totally confirm that you're a) good for the new fork and b) I want to confirm whether you can do a quick change to test out the slammed position. I'll PM you my email addy mate Eye-wink

Cotic Tony's picture

How about these: http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/FORSSEKRL15/rockshox...

Rockshox are bloody good forks, I've 3 bikes with Fox & 4 now with Rockshox. The Fox are not as plush as the RS's & have actually been less reliable. The new Pike looks good but isnt cheap & may be outclassed by the x Fusion Slant
What was the problem/creak? I once had a Fox fork that made a "Crack" when hitting a bump while braking. I researched the problem & it is mentioned in several threads. No catastrophic failures but unnerving. Apparently a stantion/crown interface issue.

T

pharmaboy's picture

What's a service on he fox -$180 say?

So for $220 you can get a new fork that s extremely well regarded and you can service it yourself to boot- don't think, act!

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