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jackthelad's picture

By jackthelad - Posted on 30 October 2011

NB: Originally posted elsewhere on the Global Riders Network and appears via syndication.

Hey Guys
Tyre
Lust Ignitor 2.35
I just found a bubble in my rear tyre between rubber and casing
Its still inflated,but worried it will blow out badly
Is It a terminal
or warranty possibly?

Jack

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GAZZA's picture

I've had them replaced from my local shop in the past. If you bought it overseas then bad luck!
Show them the photo when you take it back.
Good luck.

trancexone's picture

I have had this same problem with two LUST Crossmarks. I reckon it must have something to do with the sealant. I only use Stans and I have noticed the problem occurs after about 6 months of not having checked and replaced the sealant. I now change my sealant every few months and this has stopped the problem. I am pretty certain that the problem is irreparable and recommend you ditch the tyre ASAP. Yep, gave me the sh!ts too......twice!

Lach's picture

Maxxis Crossmark LUST with a bulge - felt and looked like the rim was buckled in the vertical plane, but taking the tyre off, the rim is fine. Not a bubble like the one shown, but the tyre is enough out of true to be a problem. And I'm running it with tubes, so it's not a sealant issue. Before anyone has a go, I do that to get the sidewall strength without going to a DH tyre. Previous XC tyres end up with sidewall fatigue from my lard arse....

gc49's picture

Actually, it's nothing to do with sealant. I've had a crossmark LUST bubble VERY badly (ie one large and several small to med bubbles all round the tyre), and I don't run sealant in them (yeah it's a risk, but I hate the gunk in there).

Again still held preasure, but no way was I going to ride with it like that, so threw a new one in.

It's something to do with the how maxxis are sealing them themselves. theres some kind of weekness in the inner surface of the tyre that on a UST is supposed to sealed, and the air preasure works at it and eventually starts to delaminate the tyre from the inside (getting betten the inner sealing surface and the outer, softer compound of the tread surface). The sealant has no impact on this, as it's still sealed from the outside air, as it's just a weekness in the casing causing it to stretch in that point without actually opening to the outside enviroment (probably find that the sealant ends up filling up the inside of the bubble, but that's not exactly any help).

whiskers's picture

i had a specilized control tyre on the front (the captain)bulged out on one of my marthon rides like egg size i put it down to much air with the wheel flexing & stuff at speed + rough surface i could be wrong..Smiling

VTSS350's picture

I had a front Ignitor do exactly the same thing in 3 different spots. One of them was the size of a 50cent piece.

I like you thought it was air trapped in there and that I might have a terriable blow out.

I thought I would need a new tyre anyway so I pierced the bubble with a small nail and all that came out was water!
No air at all and the tyre stayed inflated! I actually rode it for another 3-4months before replacing it!

Empy's picture

It has been discussed here before, Maxxis are claiming the sealant voids warranty.
But obviously with the amount of times it's happening without sealant and on brand new tyres (as happened to me) it's not the sealant's fault.

I had a set replaced under warranty but didn't get another set of LUST, they are rubbish.

See this thread especially the link to Maxxis warranty;
http://nswmtb.asn.au/node/19502

Also at a pinch you can pierce the bubble with a pin to stop it getting bigger, the sealant will then fix the leak.
This happened to me only about 100k into a 700k ride so the tyre kept bubbling and I kept stabbing it and I got home but by the end it was pretty scary with about a quarter of each tyre delaminated!

Gepro's picture

The posts here confirm that Maxxis tyres(crossmarks in particular)seems to 'bubble' on a regular basis. I too had a lust c/mark bubble on me so out she went pronto. Maybe all manufacturers are so hung up on tyre weights, optimum rolling resistance etc that they are putting less and less rubber in the carcass which can only lead to structural problems especially given our trails are so rocky and skatey (excessive heat may build up in weak spots in the tyre too if you're heavy on the brakes).

Best way to affect a brand is to boycott it....there's lots of good tyre makers out there - kenda, wtb, continentals (to list just a few) all of which have tyres that work really well on our trails, so give them a go.

ChopStiR's picture

Ive only had a bubble in a Kenda. My Maxxis have been fine so far. Dont jump the gun and blame Maxxis.

Scottboy's picture

I had the same problem as you Z& the guy at the shop said it was the way it was put on , I showed him the wheel was true marked the spot on the rim then he took it of & the tyre was out in a different position on the rim .That is when I got a replacement tyre & it happened a few months later on the other rim & both tyres had tubes in them ?

Lach's picture

Unfortunately mine was an internet purchase (T7) and I rode on it for a while before deciding it wouldn't settle down. So no chance of replacement. Have taken it off and can't see any deformity in the tyre, can't see any out of true on the rim, can't see a problem when I put my old worn Kenda back on, so I think it's just a manufacturing fault with the tyre. I've had Maxxis before on other bikes and they have been fine, so will try again, as I eventually want to have a go at tubeless and think the Maxxis LUST sidewalls are up to the task for my weight / riding style (or lack of style).

Chad-Mojo's picture

Weird- I got a bubble in my Maxxis Crossmark only yesterday. Just went out and popped it with a pin and just a small bit of air came out, the tyre is still holding pressure fine. If it's still got pressure in the morning then I'll chance it and use it at the Crits tomorrow night. Am also running stans.
Cheers Chad

angryduck's picture

I had three (3) Maxxis Crossmark LUST tyres do exactly this - delaminate and bubble.
It's not the way you put them on, it's not the sealant (if any) you use, it's not your riding style - it's the tyre at fault.
I bought all three tyres within a short time of each other but that was some time ago (2 years?).
I have been told that there was a bad run of Crossmarks - a well acknowledged problem that has since been rectified. Other blogs in other locations have had the same problem discussed with the same conclusion.
All 3 tyres were replaced by the local dealer at no cost to me.
I have had Ignitors front and back since without any problems.

Little-Ditty's picture

I took a rear Crossmark off my Anthem with a similar problem about 6 months ago. Bike Addiction were interested in seeing it, and sending it back to Maxxis to inspect. BA gave me a new tyre for free, plus the installation while U wait + free too. Those guys are great for abike shop. Although it helps that I bought that bike there, and they know me. Still, I would try that with your fav LBS. See how you go.

Silverback's picture

Just noticed a bubble in a 12 mnth old Crossmark Lust on my wifes bike (myold recycled Tyre) popped it with a pin, out came some water but no sealant interestingly, no issue with tyre pressure as yet.

Pop it and see Smiling.

badchef's picture

apparently thats what its called.the different layers seperate and form the bubble.i had it happen to both my crossmarks(many small bubbles) and to a highroller, which blew seconds before hitting up the old yella brick rd ns drop, cost me a 3 hr walk back to the car, that sucka blew up to the size of a half tennis ball then boom, whilst i was approaching the drop.i also had a nevegal blow up at 2am in the spare room .all of these tyres were tubless with stans, shit happens

trancexone's picture

I commented on this thread earlier in the week and last night thought I would run my eye over both tyres, LUST Crossmark on the front, and LUST Larsen TT on the back just to see if I had any bubbles. The Crossmark was fine but found about half a dozen small bubbles on the Larsen, mostly running around the outside of the blocks on the middle tread pattern. One of them was a bit bigger, about the size of a 10 cent piece and I popped that with a pin and a dark coloured watery liquid ran out. The annoying thing is the tread is still good but this is the third Maxxis tyre this year with a similar problem and I don't like taking chances with potentially faulty equipment so I have had enough. Four Maxxis tyres this year, three failures. That ain't an isolated illness, it's an epidemic. Might be time for another brand methinks. Anyone got any thoughts on the Kenda Smallblock 8's or maybe some Schwalbes. Never tried anything but Maxxis, has anyone had problems with these brands?

richo's picture

Im a continental man myself mountain king up front and a race king rear ive use UST or with tubes never had a problem.

viper's picture

Just curious on the psi most of you are running? I run tubeless maxis tyres with stans on my bikes and haven't yet had a problem. Hope I don't find bubbles when I go look now.

radar36's picture

I've literally just fitted 2 new LUST Crossmarks on Wednesday night, and now I'm reading this thread. I'm going to race home and check the tyres for bubbles now!! They've been sitting in the garage at 36psi since the other night, so hopefully this isn't too high to cause bubbles. Typically will run them in the mid to high 20's out on Langford park circuit.

BTW, is this happening across different sizes, or is it one size in particular? That doesn't seem to be something that has been mentioned above.

Crossed fingers for Anaconda this weekend though!!!

ar_junkie's picture

See here: http://nobmob.com/node/10648
I still like the Crossmark pattern, but am sceptical when told that "it was a bad batch" or "they used to have that problem".

BTW, is this happening across different sizes, or is it one size in particular?

From memory, most of the issues have been with the 26x2.10's... but have no idea if the 29"'s have had the same luck.

Samorski's picture

Just went to inflate my tires after them sitting for the winter and found 5 of those bubbles in my Maxxis Ignitor. Its less then a year old and never had sealant. Maxxis FAIL. They look same as your photo.

jackthelad's picture

i ended up buying a spare tyre,
but pierced the bubble and riding it still
i use stans, no major fails yet

pharmaboy's picture

you sometimes get that sort of delamination on car tyres too. I have had many mnay flats over the years, and only one resulted in a crash - i'd ride them, but not 25km from the nearest road, given it may not be a rapairable situation.

Jeronimo's picture

Has anyone experienced this issue with the non UST versions?

I use Specialized Fast Trak 2.2 with tubes myself, but I've been considering an Ignitor up front for winter.

trackman's picture

L.U.S.T.......Lightweight usless shit tyres

Zoom's picture

I reckon they're great. I use them despite the bubble problem.

Exxodus's picture

I've had this happen twice.

Both times i've had them exchanged free of charge. The second time they tried to insinuate it was because I used Stans.

Just be firm, mention they are "not fit for use" and you should get it exchanged.

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